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jcdriller

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Hi guys,

My wife and I are considering a conqueror 490 extreme that is now offered here in the US and I'd like a little input concerning its insulation. I've been told the water system can't take freezing temps and must be winterized. What kind of insulation is installed in these from the factory? What is the ceiling made of? Anyone installed a fantastic fan for warm weather camping? Any problems with the install? I know the trailer has a couple fans for moving air around inside the camper, but nothing to draw air into the camper.

Thanks guys!
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G`day guys,

The roof insulation is optional? I believe , why its not standard I don`t know. Here in Australia where it does get quite cold and extremely hot in summer months its a definite must in my opinion. My camper is a late 2014 mod and came with no roof insulation so I fitted 25mm foam sheeting which has aluminum foil on both sides to the ceiling and this made a massive difference to the inside temperature in both summer and winter, it was an easy install and cost about Aus $50 .
Your walls are foam sandwiched between two aluminium sheets about 1.5mm thick each and the foam would be 25-30mm thick from memory I can go and measure it if you need the exact size more than sufficient for our climate.
As far as winterized water pipes etc that is not offered here and most likely not even in South Africa (they probably haven`t had that request yet??) Ask your local deal and see what they have to say.
We also add floor insulation 12mm closed sell foam mat sheeting again an easy install, we camp every year at our ski mountains and find the insulation sufficient in conjunction with two electric oil heaters one inside and one in the annex plus diesel hot water /heater . Temps get down to -5 deg Celsius regularly  and the water lines do freeze up it can get a bit colder but nothing like some parts of Nth America with temps to -30 deg C and I don`t think I`d like to be camped in anything in those conditions. So pending on the temperatures that your going to subject yourselves to the 490 may or may not be sufficiently insulated to deal with your cold winters, although if you live in Florida it would be fine.
Nearly forgot, the fans are very good they have 3 speeds plus timers that automatically turn off after a set time and work a treat I think most Conquerors sold here would have them fitted and a small number even have aircond fitted , if you search for it on this site you`ll get a few hits.
Hope this helps with your decision making, and welcome to the forum.
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Hi Comjero,
I understand the newer model 490's have marine board installed under the floor to stop the floor flexing.
Mine does not have the marine board installed and is very flexible. Which in my option makes the floor unacceptably flexible. I am going to install marine board and after reading your post installation as well on the floor.
1) Do you have marine board under your floor.
2) Did you install your installation right up to the battery boxes and the supplied table or did you leave a gap to make access easy
3) Did you install the carpet back on top of the installation
4) Do you any photos showing the installation or more detail on we're to buy it.

Sorry for all the questions but I would really appreciate your input and jcdriller might find it useful as well.

Thanks
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Andrew
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comjero

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Hi Hoff,
 No trouble at all,  do I have marine board ?? no what is it ? yes the floor could be firmer but that adds weight ,I find the floor firmer than it was prior to the insulation.The floor insulation that I installed was from Bunnings although others sell something similar. They have Polytuf 50 x 50 cm solid square interlocking foam mats in a 4 pack for $12 I think I got 5 packs ? can count them tomorrow if needed. I went with these as they don`t absorb water, they were cheap as I wasn`t sure if 1/ how well they would insulate the cold through the floor and 2/whether they might be too soft to walk on?
So they were sort of a proto type I guess, that have now been in for about 2 years, to date they seem to help with the cold coming up through the floor and they are not as soft as first thought but that is a good thing and the do deaden the noise .
I layed out all the mats on the garage floor then layed the carpet on top drew around the out line with an art line pen then cut out the shape. Then it just meant laying the mats onto the floor of the camper in the same order and putting the carpet back on top.No I didn`t run it into the battery compartments but you can cut bits away as needed to make thing fit or close as the carpet hides a multitude  of sins and no I didn`t cut out around the table leg I just cut 3/4 inch off the table leg to compensate for the 12 mm height of the mat under the carpet. I did have it in the kitchen floor tunnel but I changed the flexible water lines to the sink around so they run along the floor now and they fouled the mats so I took them out ( must look at that soon and refit them).
By doing roof ceiling and the floor it did made a big difference of the ambient temperature inside the camper both in summer and  winter. If your going to do it your self remember that the carpet and the velcro ceiling material cover up any little irregularities in the foam which is glued up with sikaflex and to be honest the ceiling looks better now than when knew as the foam pulls the liner out tighter, two easy cheap DIY jobs. 
The roof foam I purchased from a company call Foamex and they are in South Australia if you need then , as I said in the last post I paid about $50?? for 2 sheets which was way more than I needed .
Hope that answers your questions.
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jcdriller

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It's amazing that they don't put insulation in these 45k usd trailers. Maybe it's added on the extremes, I'll ask to find out.
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And then in Australia some are paying in excess of $USD65000.

Makes you wonder.

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Our 2013 UEV-490 Evo has full insulation in the roof, a 1.5cm foam layer lined on both sides with a plastic coating.

Looks like there is quite a bit of variation between vans.

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I too looked into insulating the roof (not standard) and the floor.
After a lot of research I believe your best bet in the US would be using Dynamat http://www.dynamat.com/automotive-and-transportation/automotive-restoration/dynaliner/
Expensive but widely used in custom cars. Very light in weight and very efficient.
Will do the roof first on ours with that stuff, but the floor flexes to much and is too noisy for my taste, so this is next.
I'd definitely not add marine ply to the floor as you want to keep the thing as light as possible.

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I have insulated all single skin panels - roof and doors in the main cabin of the trailer and doors in the kitchen, ensuite and tool boxes.

I made my own insulation using closed cell foam (similar to the dynamat) which is also foil lined which I then contact adhesive marine carpet on to. I stick this down with Sikaflex (what else!).

This has made a huge difference in heat retention when I use the webasto. It keeps the trailer cool (bearable when we were up the Cape in September) during the hotter months and also makes the airconditioner work more efficiently. I wouldn't be without now I've seen the difference it makes.

You do need to remember that while not overly heavy, all insulation takes weight from what you can carry.

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Hoff

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Hi Comjero,
Sorry for late thank you but thank you for the information.
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comjero

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Your more than welcome.
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I have insulated all single skin panels - roof and doors in the main cabin of the trailer and doors in the kitchen, ensuite and tool boxes.

I made my own insulation using closed cell foam (similar to the dynamat) which is also foil lined which I then contact adhesive marine carpet on to. I stick this down with Sikaflex (what else!).

This has made a huge difference in heat retention when I use the webasto. It keeps the trailer cool (bearable when we were up the Cape in September) during the hotter months and also makes the airconditioner work more efficiently. I wouldn't be without now I've seen the difference it makes.

You do need to remember that while not overly heavy, all insulation takes weight from what you can carry.

Cheers

Anthony


Do you have pics of the insulation? Also, what temps do you camp in on the cold side?
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Trailer is currently in its sea container, so I will have to have a look and see if I have any in my archives. Otherwise, I will have to get it out and take some for you.

I have done all of the single metal panels (roof, doors, steps, pantry, tool boxes etc). It has made a massive difference. I also have better quality carpet than comes standard and a thin foam (like yoga mat) which increases thermal insulation here as well. Someone did actually put down those large foam squares under the original carpet.

I have had mine up in the Victorian High Country during the ski season and it was comfortable. When the Webasto cabin heater is on it is quite snug with an outside temp of around the -2 mark. the coldest we have gone was -5 in Canberra.

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Hi Disco

I have looked through my photos and have none that clearly show just insulation.

I will have to get the trailer out and get some snaps for you.

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Anthony, could you give me a msg or call when you check the forums next. 


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